New 14‑inch MacBook Pro with M6

(apple.com)

140 points | by meetpateltech 4 hours ago

27 comments

  • makmanalp 4 hours ago
    Man every time I want to get a new macbook air they come up with a new macbook pro which means 6 months later they're going to come up with a new generation of airs by which time I think "let me wait a bit and see if people like it", and so here I am with a 2022 M2 that is perfectly fine except for the disk being too small.
    • FinnKuhn 3 hours ago
      I still have the original M1 Pro (thankfully with enough disk space) and I still don't really see a reason to upgrade. Since the M1 all these MacBooks are more than powerful enough for anything I might want to do and the original battery life was so good an upgrade would harldy be worth it.
      • seabrookmx 34 minutes ago
        Yeah you Mac users are spoiled. I bought this Framework 13 with the Ryzen 5 340 last year and was blown away at how fast it was, only to discover that it's roughly on par with the M1 Pro that came out 4 years earlier (and has much better battery life).

        I don't _need_ the battery life and still prefer to run Linux so the tradeoff is worth it to me, but for most users it's pretty hard to not recommend a Macbook.

        • FinnKuhn 23 minutes ago
          > I don't _need_ the battery life and still prefer to run Linux so the tradeoff is worth it to me, but for most users it's pretty hard to not recommend a Macbook.

          The thing is I never had a Mac(Book) before, but the hardware at the time was just so much ahead of anything else that I didn't mind that limitation. At least for what I bought it any OS (Windows/MacOS/Linux) would have been totally fine.

      • riffraff 1 hour ago
        Same here. A part of me wants to get a new MBP but I really can't justify it.
        • pinktonio 57 minutes ago
          playing gta 6 on it maybe.
          • FinnKuhn 25 minutes ago
            It's a console exclusive as of now and if/when it releases for computers at least I would rather play it on a dedicated Gaming PC and not a Laptop.
      • unsloppable 3 hours ago
        They're snappier, that's about it.
    • rickdeckard 4 hours ago
      The unbearable burden of consumerism.

      "You didn't even finish your M2 yet and already want to refill your plate?"

      • yunnpp 13 minutes ago
        Maybe gp should try squeezing it through the other major cavity of the body. Might have some extra room there.
    • seemaze 25 minutes ago
      I picked up a 24GB 2TB M2 air and it's still cruising along. Short of having the foresight to pick up 512GB Ultra prior to the rampocalypse, I'm happy.
    • jonpurdy 44 minutes ago
      I bought my 2022 M2 Air with 24GB/1TB/10-core GPU. Very very glad I did.

      The only reason I’m bitter is because they put in WiFi 6E in the M3 generation. Now I just use a 2.5Gbe USB-C adaptor when transferring large files to and from my NAS.

    • neilsimp1 3 hours ago
      Genuine question from someone who knows nothing about Apple products... can't you replace/upgrade the drive?
      • pbasista 3 hours ago
        They are soldered in. Replacement itself can probably be done by a professional repair technician who is equipped with the right tools. But it is not a self-service job that anyone can do.

        On top of that, the drives might be somehow paired to the motherboard. And I would imagine that pairing a new one with the existing motherboard may require some proprietary software that only Apple has.

        These are only my assumptions though. People e.g. at Louis Rossmann's repair shop might know more.

        • philistine 17 minutes ago
          Apple does not use common parts for its storage. People are used to M.2 drives, but those have the controller on the stick, and Apple has integrated the controller inside its M-series. So you first need to find compatible storage in the first place, and the only place it can come from is a donor Mac.
      • 233mhz 3 hours ago
        Oh you silly boy, of course you can, it's extremely easy, here is a video showing how to do it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrg7nPG6_UU
        • AppleBananaPie 3 hours ago
          Thanks! I can't believe I didn't know how easy this is!
          • lynndotpy 24 minutes ago
            For those who can't see the video, I think the above two commenters are being facetious for humor.

            It is funny because the video is 50 minutes long which requires a difficult soldering job and chip reprogramming. This does not include the process of opening the Macbook Pro, disassembling it, removing the logic board, nor the reverse process.

        • bel_marinaio 48 minutes ago
          Soldered to the board for anyone that does not know
      • hias 26 minutes ago
        You really know nothing, lol! When was the last time you replaced your "drive" inside your Android phone?
      • arghwhat 3 hours ago
        Heh, no, it's soldered.

        If you throw enough money at a sufficiently skilled technician it can be done, but no M.2 slots in sight here.

      • alt227 3 hours ago
        This is an Apple device, the word upgrade does not exist in their world.
        • DaSHacka 1 hour ago
          Of course it does! You just have to go to a Genius Bar after the release of a new MacBook, and tell them you're interested in buying one. They'll even handle recycling your old one for you!
    • telesilla 3 hours ago
      I'm still on my early 2022 macbook 14" M1, which I was thoughtful enough to get 64gb ram for at the time, and remain still incredibly happy. M6 must be nuts!
    • peezd 2 hours ago
      Yeah, I'm still on a 2021 M1 Pro and the only real complaint is that the battery has weakened somewhat, but still fine. and if I really cared I would probably figure out what to do to get firefox from being such a constant drain.
    • rTX5CMRXIfFG 3 hours ago
      Just get the Air. Moore's law peaked a long time ago and the differences between the M-generations are too small to be meaningful.
      • dreamcompiler 3 hours ago
        I got a used M2 Air a year ago and it's the best Apple laptop I've ever owned. And I've owned dozens.

        Plus it runs Asahi linux on the metal.

    • karim79 3 hours ago
      Exactly the same story here. I'm still very happily using an M2, which is just great.
    • paxy 3 hours ago
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    • anoojb 1 hour ago
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  • weystrom 4 hours ago
    Great hardware, but I can't stand MacOS anymore after switching to Linux on home dekstop. KDE is such a breath of fresh air after years of dealing with Apple's idiosyncrasies.

    I think I'll keep my Framework 13 Pro preorder.

    • kev009 58 minutes ago
      KDE is really great. I have a Threadripper FreeBSD desktop I do kernel work on and it is such a breath of fresh air compared to my work Mac.
    • cosmic_cheese 3 hours ago
      I’m using KDE on the gaming box I recently transitioned away from Windows as well as on a secondary single-use laptop where Linux has been installed for a while.

      It’s not bad, but I find it still to be very much an acquired taste. It’s fine for my usage, where the DE has barely any impact but having been using macOS as my main OS for the better part of 30 years, it would probably drive me insane if I had to shift my main body of computer use to it. It’s not any one thing, but dozens of papercuts that can’t be configured away (I’d need to maintain my own fork to fix them) as well as the more Windows-like desktop paradigm.

      • Matl 21 minutes ago
        > It’s not any one thing, but dozens of papercuts that can’t be configured away

        Exactly how I feel about having to use macOS at work, except some of the 'configurations away' are overpriced plugins/third party tools.

      • alt227 3 hours ago
        > I’d need to maintain my own fork to fix them

        At least this is an option with Linux

        • cosmic_cheese 3 hours ago
          In theory maybe, but in reality it’s a full-time job keeping up with changes from mainline with big projects like KDE, which isn’t very practical if you need to do other things to keep a paycheck coming in.
          • alt227 3 hours ago
            "Claude, update my project to be compatible with the latest KDE changelog"
            • nozzlegear 2 hours ago
              Don't forget to add "make no mistakes."
    • 100percentjake 3 hours ago
      I'm a habitual device-swapper and I'm staggered by how... satisfied I am with my 8 year old Thinkpad X1 Carbon with Fedora KDE on it.
    • cdelsolar 3 hours ago
      Yeah I use KDE as well for my desktop and it’s the perfect environment. (Btw I use Arch)

      Still I’m very tempted by the new MacBooks. I don’t know of any laptop that is a tenth as good and I don’t want to sit at my desk all day to use a computer.

    • gosub100 3 hours ago
      I would buy apple hardware instantly if you could seamlessly install Linux on it just like a PC. Even if you had to "burn a fuse" to permanently detached it from Apples support and ecosystem.

      I love and respect what Asahi has done but I want apple to support a turn key, open drivers, everything works, system.

      • psadauskas 3 minutes ago
        I'm the same. They don't even have to "support" it, just stop doing everything they can to prevent it. Volunteers will support it for them.
  • sealthedeal 4 minutes ago
    Spec'd out Air is all you need
  • elicash 4 hours ago
    Nano-texture upgrade option is coming for the whole line of products.

    Edit: the thing I'm confused about is it seems there are at least two but maybe three different things that they are calling "nano-texture". On buying screens, the Studio Display and iPad Mini say "Nano-texture glass" and the new MacBook Pro says "Nano-texture display." But the Duo marketing says "Nano-texture finish."

    I get that the internal Duo screen has the film over it and so it says "finish," but is there a difference between "glass" and "display"?

    • rickdeckard 4 hours ago
      "Nano-texture glass" and "Nano-texture display" should refer to the same: A microscopic etching into the display glass.

      "Nano-texture finish" on iPhone Duo refers to an additional layer they put on top of the display panel. It's basically a sticker with a similar (same?) surface structure (they can't put it on the display glass itself because it's too thin)

    • codeduck 4 hours ago
      It's preparation for the inevitable nano-texture cloth you need to buy from Apple to wipe the screen with.
      • Hates_ 2 hours ago
        That's exactly what the £9 Apple Polishing Cloth is!

        > Made with soft, non-abrasive material, the Polishing Cloth cleans any Apple display, including nano-texture, safely and effectively.

        • goatking 14 minutes ago
          That is surprisingly cheap from Apple
    • floydnoel 4 hours ago
      I could be wrong, but I think glass=hard, while finish=soft. The inside Duo screen is not hard like the outer glass.
      • elicash 4 hours ago
        I get glass vs finish. But there's a third term being used for the new M6 MacBook Pro, which is nano-texture "display." Someone clarified that it's the same as the "glass" so I take this to just be Day 1 marketing confusion that'll hopefully get cleaned up on the buying screen.
        • layer8 1 hour ago
          They are very similar, but maybe not identical. The iPad nano-texture reportedly is less prone to fingerprints than at least the XDR monitor; perhaps that’s just an additional oleophobic coating. There may also be generational differences as these weren’t introduced at the same time and may come from different production lines.
    • resters 4 hours ago
      Maybe Apple is shifting the terminology from display to glass as an homage to fine watch terminology.
    • commandersaki 4 hours ago
      You mean even for the air?
  • Havoc 4 hours ago
    Interesting choice of pic...a guy with a military camo hat, laptop propped up on a hardshell field deployment case...but in a crop field. That's quite a departure from Appe's usual creatives sipping soy lattes vibe
    • unregistereddev 39 minutes ago
      That is RealTree camo, not military camo. And it's really not a crop field? I'm guessing this is AI-generated. It's odd. It looks like a backyard garden, because you have mixed greens with kale, plentiful weeds, and marigolds (which are commonly used to keep pests at bay in small, hand-harvested gardens, but cannot be mixed into mechanically harvested fields). But the permanently-installed drip irrigation says commercial operation.

      My guess is this photo was taken in a local garden co-op or small farmstead, but it looked too barren to use for advertising so they added a bunch of plants later.

    • lp92 3 hours ago
      They are just trying to portray "working in the field" creative types/students and alluding to all day battery life.
    • ZeroCool2u 3 hours ago
      I had a similar thought too looking at that photo and then I realized that personally, the only computer I've ever used out 'in the field' for extended durations was a MBP when I was working on an autonomous drone project senior year of undergrad.

      It was November/December in Iowa, so it was freezing and the local R/C club airfield was nestled between an ocean of corn fields and the city dump, so it smelled terrible.

      But that 16" MBP was red hot from Android Studio and kept my fingers from freezing, so credit where credit is due. Really fun project too!

      • nozzlegear 2 hours ago
        > the local R/C club airfield was nestled between an ocean of corn fields and the city dump, so it smelled terrible.

        That's just how Iowa smells. If anything, the city dump was probably improving things!

        /s

        lived here my whole life, it's an olfactory adventure :P

    • eli 3 hours ago
      Nothing about that picture looks military
    • rubyfan 4 hours ago
      It looks more like students to me.
      • kotaKat 4 hours ago
        The alt-text was "Two people perform fieldwork using MacBook Pro outdoors on a sunny day", apparently.
        • paxy 3 hours ago
          Lmao so some human/AI was told to show "fieldwork" and decided it meant people standing in the middle of a field.
          • eli 3 hours ago
            Some fieldwork does happen in a field. They look like perhaps botany or biology students.
    • bcvvvy 3 hours ago
      Especially seeing is the things break if you fart near them too loudly.
    • financetechbro 3 hours ago
      Not all camo is military. That to me looks more like the camo that you find at bass pro shop
      • FinnKuhn 3 hours ago
        To me it looks like farmers or biologists that use a MacBook because it is durable and has excellent battery life (or at least that seems to be the message when you read the rest of the announcement).
        • bombcar 50 minutes ago
          It’s not even a camo hat really, just an outdoorsy one.

          They missed a chance to have the lady holding an iPad though.

          • unregistereddev 36 minutes ago
            > They missed a chance to have the lady holding an iPad though.

            Yeah this was a big miss. Farmers typically don't bring laptops out into the field, but tablets are extremely common. Tablets aren't nearly as susceptible to damage from dirt and dust and are easier to use on the go.

    • nozzlegear 2 hours ago
      The hat looks like one of a million other hats you see any guy wearing out in Iowa, from farmers to students to contractors. I have a hat just like it myself.
  • sgarrity 16 minutes ago
    There's never been a more confusing time to buy a MacBook. I understand there are technical variations, but it's difficult to compare when different screen sizes require different chip generations. Different memory amounts require different processor types. Etc. Etc.

    I probably complained when Apple offered too FEW options too - but hey, this is the Internet.

  • timpera 4 hours ago
    Bring back Boot Camp and let us install Windows 11 on these, you cowards!
    • SomeonesAccount 4 hours ago
      Why the heck would one want to do that???
      • TheDong 4 hours ago
        I purchase the hardware, I should be able to do what I want with it. I want apple hardware for the good processor specs and battery life and general hardware quality.

        Apple should be forced to release the necessary hardware specs to develop drivers so that I can use my hardware I purchased as I want. They should be required to let me own my own signing keys to boot my own software.

        Anyway, I'd personally want bootcamp because it's a step closer to being able to install Linux, an operating system that lets me have a good tiling window manager that works.

        Why the heck would anyone want to use macOS willingly, where the window manager and file browser are both complete unconfigurable trash.

        • rTX5CMRXIfFG 3 hours ago
          There's just no getting "then don't buy it" for people who obviously don't agree with Apple's terms and conditions, is there? Not every product sold in the market will be done your way, and you can't act oppressed here because if you don't like Apple computers, you have a ton of other options...
          • bigyabai 59 minutes ago
            Apple's terms are completely arbitrary. People will complain about this until the computers are capable of it again, because there is no legitimate technical reason that Apple Silicon cannot support third-party OSes.
        • SJMG 3 hours ago
          > Why the heck would anyone want to use macOS willingly, where the window manager and file browser are both complete unconfigurable trash.

          How about suffer a lightly deoptimized workflow on one platform for the interoperability of the ecosystem…?

      • timpera 3 hours ago
        I recently snagged a really good deal on a Macbook (very nice hardware!), but the more I use it, the more I struggle with macOS (even though a few utilities can help bring some of Windows' features).

        I used to be able to completely boot into Windows on my Intel mac a few years ago, but Apple no longer supports it for some reason. It's a shame, especially since the ARM64 version of Windows 11 has gotten very good now.

        It would also be nice to be able to install Linux too. It's my own hardware, after all!

        • freeone3000 3 hours ago
          Windows for ARM requires specific support for each device. They don’t have it for arm macs - Windows 11 simply will not boot.

          As for linux, https://asahilinux.org/ currently supports M1/M2 quite well, and is approaching ready on M3+

        • ericmay 3 hours ago
          > It would also be nice to be able to install Linux too. It's my own hardware, after all!

          You can install both Windows and Linux on MacBooks. For Windows you may need to buy Parallels[1] or something but you can do it.

          [1] https://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/

          • timpera 3 hours ago
            Are you sure? It is my understanding that Parallels is just a VM, like VMWare Fusion, and that there's no way to natively dual boot Windows on Apple Silicon.

            Looks like you're right about Linux though, I didn't know about Asahi Linux. Thank you for sharing.

            • ericmay 3 hours ago
              It achieves the same thing or close enough. Apple isn't going to spend engineering resources (i.e. time and money) to build an easy way to install Windows. There isn't really a point for them to do so. There are other ways around it to be able to actually install Windows 11 specifically but Parallels is going to be your best bet.

              Sadly I also can't natively install my Nintendo Switch software on my Xbox.

              • well_ackshually 1 hour ago
                Apple is spending engineering resources every day to _prevent you_ from installing what you want on your own device. They're actively spending R&D money to fuck you over.
                • ericmay 28 minutes ago
                  I want them to prevent me from installing things on my device. It's a feature that I intentionally pay for, not a bug.
      • layer8 56 minutes ago
        Because not everyone likes macOS and dislikes Windows.
      • SJMG 3 hours ago
        Run software without crossover/parallels/wine/GPTK
      • alt227 3 hours ago
        Choice and freedom?
      • ta8903 3 hours ago
        Yeah, I don't get it.

        If you could install linux, however, then I would buy one yesterday.

    • freeone3000 3 hours ago
      Windows 11 is missing devicetree support for arm macs. It won’t boot.

      You might be better off waiting for an Asahi linux update.

    • mococa 4 hours ago
      Do you want AIshitification on your mac?
      • timpera 3 hours ago
        No, I just want to be able to boot into Windows 11. It worked really well on Intel macs.
  • paxy 3 hours ago
    Minor rant – why come up with a consistent CPU naming scheme (Mx generation with Pro, Max etc. tiers) but then sell variants of each with different numbers of cores? It tosses the entire convention out of the window.

    It is especially annoying during resale or benchmarking, because “M5 Pro” by itself doesn't mean much, and you have to count the number of CPU & GPU cores to figure out the actual SKU.

    • 100percentjake 3 hours ago
      After getting my M1 MBP I mostly stopped paying attention to the new releases until the M4 came out and I decided to see how much "better" it was and was equally completely baffled by the insane number of SKUs and their seeming overlap. Insane product lineup decisions.
      • tacon 2 hours ago
        Where is a Steve Jobs to return to Apple and simplify the product lineup again?
    • drum55 3 hours ago
      They’re binned, not every piece of silicon will work perfectly so they’re selling the ones that did as higher SKUs and the ones with minor flaws become the lower core counts.
      • paxy 1 hour ago
        Yes which is why every company that does this kind of binning advertises the actual SKU they are selling. This doesn’t fit the Apple marketing vibe, and so we end up having to guess.
        • drum55 1 hour ago
          In the system info they’re referred to as M1 Pro 10 Core or whatever, much easier than Xeon 2950 E3 v3 in the scheme of things.

            Chip: Apple M5
            Total Number of Cores: 10 (4 Super and 6 Efficiency)
          
          Same amount of information, just formatted differently ultimately.
    • smugma 3 hours ago
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  • gniv 4 hours ago
    And it's still $1999. That's impressive. I paid the same for the M1 Pro in 2021.
    • hurfdurf 2 hours ago

        And it's still $1999. 
      
      Because the price hike happened in June, in this case from 1699 to 1999.

      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48672732 https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/apple-raises-pric...

    • culopatin 4 hours ago
      And it’s still working amazing. Other than trying to run an agent locally I haven’t ran into any limiting bottlenecks
      • gniv 3 hours ago
        Mine has a broken fan so I have to run it in slow mode and it's still working fine.
    • Hamuko 3 hours ago
      A bit less impressive considering that it's the M6 and not the M6 Pro.
      • gniv 1 hour ago
        Ah good point. Is there somewhere a comparison between M6 and M1 Pro?
      • tefkah 3 hours ago
        like really what's the point of this laptop man, just trying to get more money out of people who otherwise wouldve gotten the M6 Air?
        • rjrjrjrj 1 minute ago
          Better display, more ports.

          Also, there is no M6 Air yet.

        • fckgw 1 hour ago
          The Pro has a bigger brighter ProMotion display. It has active cooling, larger speakers, more ports, longer battery life, better graphics performance, better keyboard, and a larger default storage option (starts at 1tb).

          If the Base M6 is good enough processor for you but want a more "premium" product, then the base Pro makes sense.

        • foldr 2 hours ago
          In terms of performance, the difference is active cooling. That will matter to people who are regularly doing sustained CPU or GPU intensive workloads.
    • magicmicah85 3 hours ago
      That impressed me the most. 1TB storage is minimum now too.
    • mono442 4 hours ago
      They have huge margins and can absorb price increases of some of the components.
  • skrtks 1 hour ago
    I was considering getting the M6 with 32GB which would come down to €2769 here in the Netherlands. But now I have an offer for a used M2 Max 64GB for €1900.

    Which one should I pick?

    • asenna 1 hour ago
      You should be able to do some local LLM models on the M2 Max 64gb (Qwen 3.8 27b would be a strong model). I might go for that one.
    • scirob 1 hour ago
      64gb is the way
  • alberth 4 hours ago
    I thought Apple "Pro & Tell" day is tomorrow.

    Makes me now wonder what's in store for tomorrow's pro launch.

    • mastry 4 hours ago
      Touchscreens, supposedly.
  • k310 2 hours ago
    I don't want AI. I am preparing for a jump (back) to Linux. "Choice" disappeared, and yes, I know about the "fix" [0]

    Maybe this idea may be foreign to many, but personal computers were something I built from bags of parts socketed and/or soldered onto S-100 cards, and that experience was the foundation of most of my career.

    I was a Henry Higgins, and proud of my Eliza(s). While I get along cooperatively with Eliza (the happy ending to "My Fair Computer") I don't want Eliza to be my caretaker. This morphing of computers and internet into nannies and caretakers is IMO reverting to the "good old days" of servants. While some inventions are truly liberating (ask the guy who missed his Mom at an airport and freaked out for hours until she showed up at my home, courtesy of a cab or bus) how many are just replacing people with machines?

    I could seriously use some friendship of the human variety, rather than a humanoid in a box (or an especially nice robot as in "I Sing the Body Electric" by Ray Bradbury, memorable on The Twilight Zone) Try being older and living alone, typing away.

    I don't even use GPS any more, since I trashed Apple Maps when they kissed the Emperor's big fanny.

    [0] https://github.com/omlahore/RemoveMacAI

  • throwaway270925 3 hours ago
    Apparently after the memory and storage shortage we are also experiencing a power supply shortage now - if you choose the base 16GB/1TB config you cant even choose any power supply as an option, guess its a use-once device now...
    • artimaeis 3 hours ago
      There's a "Select your adapter" option right below the memory and storage options that lets you select between the 70 W and 96 W options.
      • fckgw 1 hour ago
        In some parts of EU and the UK there's no bundled power adapter, due to regulations. Historically, Apple has offset the cost of the laptop to accommodate this. Not sure if they're doing the same here.
    • ericmay 3 hours ago
      For Apple's laptop range when was the last time you could choose your power supply? Was that ever an option?

      Am I missing something?

      (since I'm rate limited)....

      With the OP's comment "guess its a use-once device now..." I was thinking they meant power supply in the desktop sense, not the power adapter. I have no idea why a power adapter would be the thing that makes a laptop a "use-once" device.

      But yes in the configuration options you can choose between two power adapters.

      • entrope 3 hours ago
        Apple laptops historically included a power supply. Now some models don't, and you have to buy it as a separate item.

        I appreciate the frustration, but as a separate item then a user can choose any power supply on the market, rather than being stuck with one that Apple chose.

        • artimaeis 3 hours ago
          All models of Apple laptops still include a power supply, scroll down to the "What’s in the Box" section.
      • artimaeis 3 hours ago
        I think the M2 Macbook Air was the first time I remember seeing an option, choosing between a 2 port charger or a single port one.

        Edit: Even today if you go to the Macbook Pro config tool you get to choose between the standard 70 W or upgraded 96 W.

  • petetnt 4 hours ago
    It seems that you can only get 32GBs of RAM maximum for the new 14" M6 Macbooks? M5 still has 64GB options available. edit: the larger configurations are only available for the Pro and Max chips apparently.
    • cmdrmac 4 hours ago
      I think the M5 Pro can be configured with the 64 gb option, not the regular m5 chip.
    • lettergram 3 hours ago
      I'm running an M5 max with 128Gb of RAM right now on a 14" macbook pro
  • dofm 53 minutes ago
    If you want to run LLMs: get the M5 Pro, not the base M6.
    • outlore 42 minutes ago
      what llms are you running with m5 pro?
  • carruler 4 hours ago
    Don't think it's worth moving from previous max products yet to be honest. My M3 MAX still does a hell of a job whenever I need it.
    • cmenge 3 hours ago
      Agree. I'm still on my M1 Max w/ 32g, and I can't really find a reason to upgrade.
      • dofm 45 minutes ago
        For LLMs (apart from Apple's foundation models) the M1 Max still holds its own for the most part.

        The base M6 is faster (much much faster) than the M1 Max at prefill (compute bound).

        The M1 Max outperforms the base M6 at token generation; this is memory-bandwidth-bound, and while the M1 Max can't actually saturate its memory bandwidth, it gets a lot closer with the GPU.

        So I suspect the M6 is better if your AI tasks are decision-based or video/image based, and the M1 Max is better if you're running a coding LLM. Though prefill is a bit of an issue.

  • cbeach 27 minutes ago
    My 5090 has a bandwidth of 1,792 GB/s, and that is just about good enough for basic (i.e. 27B models) local LLM inference.

    The fastest M6 MacBook Pro (24/32GB config) has a memory bandwidth of 170 GB/s. And the M5 Max is 614 GB/s.

    Am I missing some nuance of the M6 MBP here, or am I right to assume it won't set the local LLM world on fire?

    • moosedev 8 minutes ago
      You're correct, the base (non-Pro, non-Max) chips are still not great for local LLMs. M5 and M6 both improved prefill speed/time-to-first-token over prior gens, but bw is still a bottleneck.

      There's rumored to be no M6 Pro or M6 Max coming, i.e. the higher bandwidth chips will skip a gen. M7 is also rumored to have better memory bandwidth across the range.

  • coreyh14444 4 hours ago
    Wasn't this rumored to have OLED or am I confusing it with something else?
  • Danox 4 hours ago
    Nice, but in the long term, Apple is going to need to bring memory in-house.
  • weird-eye-issue 4 hours ago
    After using a 16" laptop it would be hard for me to go back
    • carlgreene 4 hours ago
      I feel like I am about to go the opposite way lol. Love the 16" screen...hate lugging it around
      • SecretDreams 4 hours ago
        Really just function of mobility? Move a lot? 15-16 is combersome. Stationary often, maybe just roaming from your desk to your couch/bed? 16 is totally fine.

        I'm in the 14-15 camp w/ lighter form factors being worth the premium.

        I tried below 13 after the trend of smaller laptops from a couple years back - I now don't believe anyone who tells me they're regularly productive on these smaller form factors lol.

        • nick_ 3 hours ago
          A 15" MacBook Air with a 120Hz OLED would be perfect IMO.
    • commandersaki 4 hours ago
      Yeah. I love my 16" almost max specced out, but for travel I wanted something lighter and compact so I got a 13" m5 mba.

      Love both.

    • icedchai 4 hours ago
      Same. I had a 14" M1 Pro and found it the screen too small for my aging eyes.
    • kphorn 4 hours ago
      The good news is bigger laptops coming tomorrow in the phased release.
    • DetroitThrow 4 hours ago
      I ended up doing the opposite! After being on the go with 15, 16, and 17 inch laptops I've finally moved to smaller 13 and 14 inch screens.

      It's much, much easier to transport even though I do miss the screen real estate.

      • technothrasher 4 hours ago
        I travel a lot with my 13" MacBook Air and can't imagine wanting to deal with anything bigger and heavier.
      • eknkc 4 hours ago
        Yeah 14" pro is the best thing I have ever moved around with. I have a studio display at my desk though.
  • cromka 1 hour ago
    "A Huge Upgrade". They literally just changed the CPU? How is that a huge upgrade? What would they call an actual upgrade, the kind people expected?

    So tired of their PR grandiose.

  • arkwin 3 hours ago
    32GB of RAM only? What? Also weird that they are talking about token speed, but no larger LLMs can fit on this thing.

    Also, what happened to the I/O?? I was happy to see on the M4 they had HDMI, an SD card slot, and more. Why are they back to 2 USB-C ports? I only see pictures of one side, but the left side has traditionally had more I/O.

    C'mon, Apple, do better. It's a PRO model, not a MacBook Air

    • tefkah 3 hours ago
      while understandable i think you are too hasty. the side shown does indeed only have two usb c ports and the magsafe port, but the other side will almost certainly still have the usb c, hdmi, and card reader (cant remember if they added a second usb c port there at some point as well)

      also, i don't blame you for this given that Apple's naming scheme is so fucked here but the 32gb limitation is for the MacBook Pro with the M6, _not_ the MacBook Pro with the M6 Pro or M6 Max. yes, that is confusing, but imo the standard MacBook "Pro" with the base M chip is basically a glorified MacBook Air with a better chassis. I feel like they only sell these things to make the Air seem like a better deal and to justify a higher price for the M Pro / Max versions

      edit: those M Pro versions may be announced tomorrow alongside a version with, or those being the version with a touchscreen

      https://www.macrumors.com/2026/10/25/macbook-pro-with-touchs...

    • fckgw 1 hour ago
      Huh? It still has all the same ports.
  • kingleopold 3 hours ago
    16gb for default ram? is this a joke? base level is same for almost 5 years now, crazy level of slow upgrades, basically anyone needs pro device will never purchase the default specs, even air makes more sense.
  • maromocooo 3 hours ago
    I think I'll skip this one. Apple's M-series chips are so good that my upgrade cycles just keep getting longer and longer...
  • lettergram 3 hours ago
    Am I reading this correct? Max of 32Gb of RAM?

    > With 16GB of unified memory standard, configurable up to 32GB, and higher memory bandwidth up to 170GB/s, MacBook Pro makes multitasking and working with demanding apps and large projects even faster.

    So they're basically removing the ability to run local models effectively. I wonder if they'll bifurcate their market to enable those.

    • fckgw 1 hour ago
      The base model has always been limited to 32gb. Select a pro or max chip for more memory options.
    • ericmay 3 hours ago
      > I wonder if they'll bifurcate their market to enable those.

      No they won't, the market for "running local models" is approximately 0. There's nothing to bifurcate anyway because once they release the more capable chips they'll be able to be configured with hiring amounts of RAM.

      Apple in recent years has been updating their laptop range or specific models (Air or something) with their latest base M series chip (M4, M5, M6, &c.) and then later comes the higher end CPUs. But the base series chips don't have the hardware to it seems support higher RAM loads, or maybe they are artificially restricted in some way.

  • eastbound 4 hours ago
    Apple has moved from a "Big day out" of marketing per year, where all product lineups would be announced, with novelty and conferences, to rolling releases along the year.

    Do they get the same marketing impact?